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Reader Email - Does This Hazing Warrant Getting the Curry College Lax Season Canceled?
(Picture is unfortunately of a non related hazing incident)
So yesterday I wrote a quick blurb about the Curry College Lacrosse season getting canceled for hazing. None of the articles actually mentioned what happened though. Enter the Stool. I asked for anybody who knew anything about what happened to come forward and I got 3 emails yesterday which all pretty much echoed the same thing so I’d be stunned if it’s not accurate. So assuming this is true the question becomes did these guys deserve to get their season shitcanned?
Reader Email
Story 1
Prez...honored to see my team on the site. I am and a huge stool fan. I can tell you the story but believe a free t-shirt should be in the deal. With that here you go.....We arrived at "The Mansion" we were told to get into the diapers and wait for further instruction, we then went to a room and we finished 3 30's, during all of this we got pulled out of the room and were written on. After we finished the 30's, we were brought upstairs, after everyone was there we individually were brought downstairs to "walk the plank" which had razor sharp glass under the plank. We soon found out that it was just everyones favorite, Cape Cod Potato Chips. The kid who ratted out to Daddy was actually in tears when it was his turn to walk the plank and so they pulled the blindfold off just to show him. Next we had to go back to the room we started in, then individually brought upstairs to do a wiffle ball bat (The wise prez i would suspect that you know what that means but for all of you who dont, fill a wiffle ball bat with beer and chug) Then after that we had to run downstairs to play roulette, 3 cups, 2 vodka and 1 water thats it.........now a lot lead up to this pussy ass bitch being a rat and telling daddy. He didnt get to do stuff with the team and someone took his shoes which had his keys in it and he cried like a baby in his room and then called daddy who called the school, A 4th string player ended my lacrosse season, fuck that........
Story 2
Pres,
My girlfriend's roommate's boyfriend (true story) was on the Curry lacrosse team a few years back and we were talking about the scandal last night. He talked to a few players who are currently on the team and said there was nothing crazy, out of control hazing going on but just the jumping on glass (really Doritos) trick from Old School and a few weird drinking games. The reason this whole story was leaked was because the Seniors picked on one specific Freshman "harshly". They stole his jersey, so he couldn't play in a pre-season game, stole his cleats, pushed, punched and kicked him and that whole thing. I guess the kid finally had enough and told his parents, who then reported it to the school. Have fun with this one.
- JGTruth
Ok based on these two accounts which are almost identical it sounds like the reason the season was cancelled was because a freshman was getting picked on the entire season, cried to daddy and boom next thing you know it was sayonara 2-5 lax season. Seems like bullshit to me. I mean if the kid couldn’t hack it why not just quit? Isn’t that a better option than being a puss bag about it? I mean obviously this kid has to quit now anyway right or maybe even transfer? So what good does this do besides making everybody hate your ass even more? Anyway time to vote.
Vote 1 for Curry College had no choice but to cancel the season and 10 for this a bullshit move by the administration
Meet The Tiger Woods of Elk Calling
I was on the fence on whether to post this video until the "Oooh, Bubba put it away!" line. I just couldn't ignore something that awesome. And yes I'm totally using that for the next month whenever somebody does something good. Ooooh Bubba put it away!
- Thanks to Tim for the tip
Cito Gaston Calls Roger Clemens an "Asshole"
LAKELAND, Fla. — Cito Gaston blasted the Rocket on Thursday, saying he believes an allegation that Roger Clemens played a role in his 1997 firing as Toronto Blue Jays manager. "I wouldn't doubt that," Gaston told Toronto beat writers... "He's an asshole himself, a complete asshole. I'd say that loud, right in his face. It's all about him, nobody else but him." Author Jeff Pearlman made the allegation in his new book "The Rocket That Fell to Earth".... Gaston... said Clemens worked to undermine his authority, once questioning a decision to leave Pat Hentgen in a game behind his back and in front of the team. "He wouldn't (confront me)," said Gaston, who added that he wished Clemens had come to him with the complaint. "One of us would have had an ass whuppin' that day. "It might have been me, but he still would have known I was there." Gaston later brought up the incident with his ace pitcher and said Clemens responded by saying: "'What do you want to do - about staying here or leaving?'. That's what he said, 'do you want to stay or do you want to leave?'," said Gaston. "I said, 'What do you mean, what are you talking about?' So he's a bitter old man, I don't have much to say about old Roger."
I don't know Jeff Pearlman from Jeff Probst, but is there any way this isn't going to be a great book? For some reason I just never tire of "Roger Clemens is an asshole" stories. I could read them all day long. It's like listening to U2. I still like the classic old ones but I can't wait for new stuff to come out. Every sportswriter in America should come out with a "Roger Clemens sucks" book. It should be a section at Barnes & Noble. "You're looking for 'Roger Clemens is a Big, Fat, Moneygrubbing Asswipe'? Right down this aisle, past 'Self Help' in the 'Clemens Douchebag' section just before you get to 'Travel'..." It's funny how his Boston and New York asshattery has been well documented, but we're still finding out details of what went on during his time in Toronto. Somehow during all the time Peter Gammons or Craig Mustard or a dozen others were fawning about how Roger felt disrespected by Dan Duquette and he's so proud that he took his "legendary workout regimen" to Toronto to be closer to his family in Texas, we never heard how he was going behind his manager's back to get him fired. Classic Roger. And I'm now the biggest Cito Gaston fan in Massachusetts.
Does This Look Like The Face Of A Mother Who Asked Her Daughters Teenage Friends To Chip In So She Could Buy Alcohol At Her Daughters Birthday Party?
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A Kansas City mother and another woman are accused of providing alcohol to several girls during a birthday party that ended with two teens being taken to a hospital. Prosecutors say 43-year-old Karen Christine Downs and 25-year-old Kelsee Guest are charged with first-degree child endangerment for allegedly providing liquor and beer to 13- and 14-year-old girls at a February party. Downs is accused of offering $10 to whoever could chug a glass of vodka the fastest, while Guest allegedly poured shots for the girls, prosecutors said. Two girls who attended the party, ages 13 and 14, passed out and were taken to a hospital. One of the girls had a blood alcohol content of .218, nearly three times the legal limit, prosecutors said. Officers said they found 60 to 70 empty beer bottles and several empty bottles of bourbon, vodka, and whiskey scattered throughout the basement of the residence. According to the girls’ statements, Downs offered shots to the girls, but told the girls they could not tell their parents about it. When they ran out of alcohol, Guest asked the girls if they had money to buy another bottle of vodka, court documents show. Downs, Guest, and one of the girls bought more vodka, prosecutors said. One of the girls said she had beer and 9 or 10 shots of vodka.
Okay first things first. I’m calling bullshit on the girl/narc who said she had 9 or 10 shots of vodka. Honey if that were true you’d either be dead or have 3 dicks in you so cut the shit. Now as far as the rest of this story goes if the mother is guilty of anything it’s just being bad party host. Seriously how did she not invite any boys to this party? I mean what's the point of getting chicks drunk if they can't wolf down some cock? Not to mention the fact that every good parent knows that if you run out of alcohol at your kid’s birthday party you don’t ask the guests for money. You got out and buy it yourself. It’s not only bad party management, but it's flat out bad parenting. So much for leading by example huh?
Reader Email – Guy or Girl….Who Ya Got?
Reader Email
El Pres,
The Do and I were at Mohegan Sun to see Lewis Black. Two rows in front of us sat this Gem. The show was great, but I think I laughed more at this woman’s hair. Just thought I’d chime in with this one.
Smallz
Woman huh? To quote Lee Corso…not so fast my friend. Because I have this so called “woman” checking in as a man. So I’ll keep this short and sweet because I’m exhausted.
Vote 1 for this hair belongs to a lady and 10 for a dude.
Does This Look Like The Face of A Man Who Would Attack His Fiancee Over A Poorly Made Meatball Sub?
Philly.com - Feeding picky eaters can be a pain. Just ask Lyndel Toppin's fiancée, whose middle finger was almost chopped off when Toppin allegedly attacked her with a kitchen knife, according to Upper Darby police.The reason for the assault, cops say, was a poorly made meatball sandwich. Specifically, the cheese placement was all wrong, which infuriated Toppin. "That was the catalyst," Toppin grabbed a knife from the other room and slashed her finger, causing a deep laceration, she told police at Delaware County Memorial Hospital, where she received 23 stitches to close the gash. Also, instead of chomping on the meatball sub that she'd made him, Toppin wrapped his teeth around his girlfriend's left wrist and refused to let go, the criminal complaint says."It was a barbaric attack," Chitwood said.
With most stories like this there is usually something going on behind the scenes. Maybe the fiancee cheated or there are some ongoing issues that we don’t know about. But I don’t think that’s the case here. You just can’t screw up a meatball sub and expect to get away with it. Especially when you’re not even married yet. I mean if this bitch is already getting lazy with her cheese placement imagine what she’ll be like in 5 years? I don’t even want to think about it. So this guy had no choice but to nip this in the bud. I mean what’s the point of bitches even existing if they can’t cook, clean and fuck right? Barbaric indeed!
MLB Just Called Me; They Trademarked "Opening Day"
So I just got a call from MLB. I have no fucking idea how they got my cell phone number Woody. Anyway they wanted me to take down the above ad on our website which was promoting beer and sliders because it used the phrase "Opening Day" in it. Are you fucking serious? Opening Day? I mean don't they have better shit to do then worry about this? Now the guy who called me was nice enough. He said he loved the Stool, blah, blah, blah and the reason he didn't send an email or letter was because he knew he'd be killed. So for that I give him credit. But come on! "Opening Day"? Are we really talking about Opening Day? I wonder if this guy brags about his job at bars and shit? "Hey honey I bagged some blog that was using the term opening day to sell beer and burgers. Now suck my dick" Who knows? Maybe it works?
Guy Dies After Putting Fish in His Mouth in Front of a Bunch of Schoolkids
LA - A charter boat crew member choked to death after swallowing a bait fish as a joke in front of elementary schoolchildren during a field trip to the Port of Long Beach, authorities said Wednesday. Jeff Twaddle, 54, of Huntington Beach, "was trying to be lighthearted when he put this thing in his mouth" on Friday, said Long Beach Fire Department Chief Frank Hayes. "But it became an airway obstruction, and he lost consciousness and went into full cardiac arrest."
I've been struggling with this story for hours now. Not that I'm above laughing at someone else's death, mind you. The death rate is still 100% and not all of us get to check out by yelling "FreeeeDOM!" while the whole village weeps. If I meet my demise like one of the hundreds each year who get killed by having a vending machine fall on them, I fully expect people will get a good chuckle over it. But I'm not so sure Jeff Twaddle qualifies. I admit that choking on a bait fish is pretty funny, but he was doing it to make a bunch of kids laugh, not to win a bet or impress his idiot buddies in a bar. Still you've got to appreciate it for the irony. A professional fisherman choking on the very bait fish he's used to kill hundreds of fish is the stuff an ichthylogical O. Henry would've come up with. To a fish, it's probably like one of those stories you hear about a terrorist blowing himself up making bombs or something. I guess in the end this is more tragic than funny. But Twaddle didn't die in vain. A coward dies a milliong deaths, but a man who'll put a fish in his mouth to entertain a bunch of elementary school kids dies but once. Still, this is sad. If a prop comic were going to die young, why couldn't it have been Carrot Top?
The Best 40 Minutes Of Video On The Web: The Wait - Tyson Vs. McNeeley
Best Documentary Ever! I've been sitting on this thing since Tuesday because I figured I'd be tired from our party and would need a great time killer. And this fit the bill. Seriously I thought I died and went to heaven when I started watching this. From the opening "whoosh" on the Hurricane's voicemail to the final bell it's 100% pure adrenaline. I can't tell you how many times I've looked to find some of these quotes on youtube. So sit back and enjoy the ride.
1. "If you don't respect me and what I'm doing then you have a big dump in your pants"
2. This is for my grandfathers, my grandmothers, my father, my mother, Curly, my 3 brothers, last but not least Snubby!.......whoa, whoa whoa, 1 more...Last, but not least MEDFIELD!!!!
That speech is probably the greatest speech in the history of sports. Everything is perfect about it. The fact his face is so close the camera. The fact he gave a shout out to Curly and Snubby. The fact he ripped the microphone away from Jim Gray and gave a last shout out to Medfield. If Picasso was a boxer this is what his speech would have sounded like.
As a side note, I still remember a story from a buddy of mine who saw Hurricane Peter McNeeley a couple years after he got knocked out by a slice of pizza stuck in traffic on 128. It was the type of traffic where you go back and forth with the car next to you like 100 times. And every time they passed McNeeley he would start bobbing and weaving. He did it for like two hours straight. Whoooosh....
Does Two 1st Rounders for Jay Cutler Mean Belichick Screwed Up the Matt Cassel Deal?
Denver - After weeks of contention, McJaygate ended happily, at least for Broncos officials on the top floor of Dove Valley. Denver shipped disgruntled quarterback Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears on Thursday in a blockbuster trade, putting an end to the acrimonious saga between new coach Josh McDaniels and his unhappy quarterback. The Broncos received quarterback Kyle Orton, two first-round picks and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick... However, Cutler may have an issue with Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner. Coming out of high school, Cutler thought he had a scholarship to the University of Illinois, where Turner was the head coach. Cutler has said Turner pulled the scholarship late in the recruiting process, resulting in his going to Vanderbilt. The Bears were Cutler's favorite NFL team while he was growing up in Santa Claus, Ind.
For openers, there was no reason to include that last bit about Cutler growing up as a Bears fan, other than I'm fascinated to learn there's actually a place called Santa Claus, Ind. You'd think a guy who grew up there would be jolly instead of a self-serious little pissant like Cutler. That aside, good for Josh McDaniels that he got back at Cutler by sending him to probably the worst situation in the NFL for him personally. Not only does he already have a grudge against the OC of the Bears, but he has absolutely no weapons around him. I mean, who's Chicago's best offensive player? Brandon Lloyd? The Olin Kreutz, the center? Be careful what you wish for, Jay.
But the real reason I'm blogging this is that THIS is exactly the kind of deal I expected the Patriots to get for Matt Cassel. This is, or should be, the going rate for a proven QB coming into his prime. Cutler might be a dink, but guys with his numbers don't become available every day, so when they do, you've got to pay dearly. It's a supply & demand thing. The Belichick bashers (I tip a glance at Dennis & Callahan) are using this trade as evidence that The Hooded One dropped the ball on the Cassel trade. But that presupposes one of two things. Either teams offered a deal like this to the Pats and Belichick decided he'd rather take less, or that they wanted to make a better offer than Kansas City did, but Belichick never asked them. The first scenario is ridiculous and the second is preposterous. The only explanation that makes sense is the one we've known for weeks now: The best concrete offer Belichick had was the deal he made. Tampa came in with something along the lines of "Well, if we can work out a deal with Denver they might give up the 12th pick in the draft that is if they're willing and if they're interested in Cassel blah blah blah..." and Belichick couldn't sit around waiting for all those planets to align while Cassel ate up $14 million of cap space. So he pulled the trigger on the best deal he had, period.
So the Cassel deal wasn't a failing of Belichick, it was a failing of 30 other GMs in football. How is it that Jerry Angelo would give up 2-1st and his starting QB for a moody, selfish, coach killing diva, but not for Cassel who's won the Offensive Player of the Week every 8th start in his career? If I owned the Bears, you couldn't walk in my office today from all the heads I'd be rolling.
Eyes... bleeding... no.... paragraphs....
bears are now a top 5 team. great move by them.
In Bill We Trust, JT
I will never second guess his moves, not to mention 2 first round picks two years in a row is expensive. I think the Casel move was cost efficient. But the Broncos got the better of the deal, Cutler blows
I'm the biggest Pats fan there is but ummmmmm, maybe its the fact that Cutler >>> Cassel....by a great amount.
Come on, Cassel is going to be an average to above average NFL quarterback. That's not a bad thing, but I'm pretty sure the rest of the league knows this especially given the track record of players leaving the Patriots and sucking
Cutler must be a real dbag. It was fairly obvious when he started pulling this whole stunt, but now the story comes out that he had scholarships pulled late and longstanding feuds with other team's offensive coordinators? Not many players in the league have resumes as smeared as that one right there. Good luck in the Windy City Mr. Pacman Cutler!
Honestly, who cares? Both teams suck.
anyone see the article on deadspin about barstool? Someone in the comments said they cant read three straight posts on barstool without trying to play russian roulette. A few comments down two guys are having a discussion back and forth about commuting from Nashua to Quincy. good one dooshbags!
Honestly, who cares? Both teams suck.
— CptKangarooBalls, Apr 03 2009, 9:58 am
Agreed..
If the Bears get their O-Line working with the new additions, then I think they turn into a better version of Baltimore from this past year. With a weaker schedule/conference, 12 wins is not out of the question. I dont think anyone would be knocking down Angelo's door at that point.
Short-term, good move. Long-term...
Bill got hosed with the Cassell trade. He choked and pulled the trigger too early.
the answer to your question as i have told everyone since it happened is YES. Just cuz Belicheck is successful as a coach doesnt mean this was a good trade or we got true value. I said b4 he rushed the deal too. Ur telling me the bears were willing to give Orton, 2 firsts and a third for Cutler (and a 5th) but wouldnt give one first for cassell....thats comical.....if the pats waitied they couldve got more and dont give me this cap they needed the money for free agents bs. Shawn Springs, the other corner i forget his name now, Chris Baker no one we got is a game changer. They could have waited.
The fact that you call Cassel a "proven QB" makes me question your football knowledge. At the very laest, you're a Pats homer who thinks that one good year means you'll have a great career. Or maybe you are dillusional. Either way, ridiculous comment.
— Pokey Reese, Apr 03 2009, 9:57 am
agreed. they need this guy to throw a football, not take them on a date. who gives a shit about personality.
But for those who think Cutler is actually good, please go to si.com and read the article on why he's the most overrated QB in the league. its spot on.
agreed. they need this guy to throw a football, not take them on a date. who gives a shit about personality.
— ShadyLady, Apr 03 2009, 10:00 am
Who gives a shit about personality?
Two words: Jeff George
The fact remains that Belicheck is a football genius. he has never done anything in haste and he knows exactly what he's doing, and for that matter what everyone else in the NFL is doing. Not one person on this site can hold an argument that Belicheck has fucked us in the past with a bad trade, questionable pick up or regrettable release.
THE MAN IS A GENIUS. HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN ANY ONE ON THE PLANET!
Cassel was a good quarterback, but he failed to get us into the playoffs. He was too much $$$ to keep around. I loved Vrabel but you just gotta trust Belicheck. You just have to.
— trusty rombone, Apr 03 2009, 10:02 am
Not as much as Lee Corso
1) With Cassel other teams probably figure there's a good chance a fair amount of his success last season came from the team he was playing for. Lots of guys can look pretty good when throwing to Moss and Welker and surrounded by teammates who have won multiple SuperBowls. Cutler is more likely the #1 cause for whatever success Denver had.
2) Even with that support, Cassel certainly had some shaky moments, despite several years of studying under Belichick/McDaniels/Brady.
3) Cutler has some very good receivers too, but with his huge numbers and the fact he's so young, he's got to look like he has more upside than Cassel (potentially great vs. likely good).
4) The Cassel deal happened earlier in free agency when teams probably want to be more conservative to see what other opportunities emerge (such as the Cutler fiasco).
5) The Bears overpaid
Factor in #1-#5, and you can't really fault The Greatness that is Bill Belichick for getting significantly less for Cassel than Denver got for Cutler.
I guess a shorter way to say it: it is stupid to wonder who got a better deal -- Pats, KC, Denver or Chicago. One of these things is not like the others.
I got virtigo trying to read that... Fuck the bears and fuck little Fredo for running off to Denver
Belichek hates first round picks, why is this? Because a second rounder has nearly the same value as a first rounder, at much less the cost.
Orton was a first rounder, and Cutler was a 5th rounder... When did Brady go in the draft...?
Thank you and good day sir
— trusty rombone, Apr 03 2009, 10:02 am
Not as much as Lee Corso
— BATman, Apr 03 2009, 10:03 am
Thats a good argument but i still gotta stick with Belicheck.
"They could have waited."
— Tom C, Apr 03 2009, 10:00 am
If they waited then the Pats would not have been able to sign free agents because the cap number tied to Cassell was too high.
"Cutler was a 5th rounder"
— Dorthy Mantooth, Apr 03 2009, 10:05 am
No, Cutler was a 1st rounder.
Belichek hates first round picks, why is this? Because a second rounder has nearly the same value as a first rounder, at much less the cost
Orton was a first rounder, and Cutler was a 5th rounder... When did Brady go in the draft...?
Thank you and good day sir
— Dorthy Mantooth, Apr 03 2009, 10:05 am
Cutler was a 5th rounder? He was the 11th pick overall. Way to know the facts. Fucking Douchebag
the cutler to jeff george comparison is pointless.
the cutler to jeff george comparison is pointless.
— ShadyLady, Apr 03 2009, 10:10 am
Whatever dude, you're entitled to your opinion. Bad attitudes at QB usually leads to underachieving in the NFL.
Cutler was a 5th rounder? He was the 11th pick overall. Way to know the facts. Fucking Douchebag
— corylidleflymehome, Apr 03 2009, 10:09 am
HAHAHA seriously, go talk sports on Boston.com you fucking clown
Thank you and good day sir
— Dorthy Mantooth, Apr 03 2009, 10:05 am
Wow, first time we had a "Douchebag Of The day" posting before noon!
Congrats fuckhead
more like...Jay CUNT-LER
ba-dum-CHAAA
— BATman, Apr 03 2009, 10:13 am
How does stating a fact make me a fucking clown?
— corylidleflymehome, Apr 03 2009, 10:18 am
No you dude, the person who said cutler was a 5th rounder.
I understand the argument about value and price of 2nd rounders being better than 1st round picks. But, no one would ever turn down a 1st round pick for a second round pick based on that argument. You could simply trade that 1st round for 2 2nd recounders, depending on where the picks actually are.
No you dude, the person who said cutler was a 5th rounder.
— BATman, Apr 03 2009, 10:19 am
Oh you mean the thank you and good day asshole?
Maybe we should ask him to answer his own question and see where he thinks Brady was taken in the draft?
Cassel is only proven in a phenomenal offense. "it" could be average in the Pats offense. not to shit on Cassel because he looks like he'll be good but he ain't proven yet.
I feel shame, and am sorry...
Cutler=$1.5 mil/year
Cassel=$15 mil/year
I have to disagree with the Bears O comment - see
Matt Forte - stud
Greg Olson - TE stud
and this will absolutely make Hester better
they still need a WR1
and remember they just got pace...
Cue the burning cars and riots in the streets.
isn't Pace like 400 years old and play like he's wearing cinderblock shoes?
Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton.... AH Yeah ...The bears were just extremly despreate for a new QB!! and they made sure they got a somewhat decent one now... well maybe...
Orlando Pace stinks now. The Rams have the worst O-Line in the NFL and cut him loose. Come on now.
Cutler is good, Cassel is good, lets leave it at that. They are both far too young to make any comparisons or predictions. Drew Brees was terrible his first few years and then got going. Kurt Warner was awesome, then terrible, then awesome again.
Orlando Pace..Really????
I could see Tory Holt going to the bears now. Granted he is also 400 years old and sucked when he wasnt playing in the dome but he would still help them
That was an idiotic post. The Bears have all the tools they need except a true No. 1 receiver. It was the failing of 30 other GMs in football? That is the most one-sided Masshole bullshit I think I've ever read.
Giving up your own QB, 2 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder seems way too steep to me. The Bears are basically saying that Jay Cutler is worth 2 1st rounds picks and a 3rd round pick more than Kyle Orton since they basically flip flopped QB's. Orton is not great by any means but there is no way Cutler is worth that much more than him. I would understand this deal if it had the Washington Redskins involved since they are know to be morons about trading away first round draft picks but to see the Bears do it suprises me.
I have to agree with kevinoxious about this move making Hester better. Also, the Bears have a great run game in Forte. He did me wonders last year in fantasy.
And to that tool, Tom C. Please shut the fuck up. Haven't you figured out that Belichick knows what he's doin, instead of BITCHING like well, a BITCH... You should just live by "In Bill We Trust"...
And by the way, the guy's name is Leigh Bodden, a very good cornerback... You fucking faggot.
And Chris Baker is here for blocking purposes. God, you know nothing about fucking football.
The bears dont have a true No. 2 receiver either. This isnt fantasy football, you cannot say well we have a QB a RB and a TE so all we need is a WR. There defense wasnt all that last season and there O-Line has holes. They will compete in the division but are still a step behind NYG and Dallas
First of all, Jay Cutler is currently better than Matt Cassell. Cassell has had one decent year. I am not ready to put him in the Hall of Fame. He may turnout to be the next Tom Brady, or he may be the next Scott Zolak. He had Wes Welker and Randy Moss for receivers this past year, let's see how he does with Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley (whoever they may be).
The fact that you call Cassel a "proven QB" makes me question your football knowledge. At the very laest, you're a Pats homer who thinks that one good year means you'll have a great career. Or maybe you are dillusional. Either way, ridiculous comment.
— Hendy
What makes you question the use of the word "proven"? Was is the 11 wins? The two POTW awards? The two 400 yard games? His being 14th in the league in passer rating? Or his obvious size, strength, athleticism and intelligence?
You idiots are all missing the most important factor behind what drove the Cassel trade: his contract status. Cassel eats up what, like $14 mil, and is a UFA after next season? Cutler only counts like $3 mil against the cap. All of which means that the Pats hands were tied, and HAD to dump Cassel for cap reasons, which weakens your negotiating position. Belichick didn't screw up at all. The two trades can't be compared because the cap ramifications are so different.
— The B Word, Apr 03 2009, 10:40 am
I think the basis of the argument is that they SHOULD have signed him long term and then dealt him to a team willing to accept the contract. It's a risk but they would have gotten more. When people argue the trade i think they are arguing based on the fact that the pats should have had a contract negotiated with another team perhaps.
As a Bears fan, I'm happy to be rid of Orton, who will never get a ring without a McMahon-ian caliber of teammates. The price also seems way too high, and the Bears remain a very *long* way from making any football-related plans for February.
KG, when would you have liked the Pats to have signed him to an extension? Before the season, when no one was sure if he could play? Once Cassel proved he could play, the Pats' options were to either (1) franchise him and trade him; or (2) watch him sign with someone else in free agency at a starter's money and get nothing. Your scenario makes absolutely no sense.
What makes you question the use of the word "proven"? Was is the 11 wins? The two POTW awards? The two 400 yard games? His being 14th in the league in passer rating? Or his obvious size, strength, athleticism and intelligence?
— Jerry Thornton, Apr 03 2009, 10:39 am
Cassel is not as good as all of you make him out to be. He is not a "proven" QB by any means. Tommy Maddux had one good season with the Steelers, I'm too lazy to look up anything about him though. I'm just saying, one good season does not make you a "proven" QB.
Jay Cutler could arguably be the most accomplished double-chinned quarterback in the history of the NFL
What a horrible, horrible trade for the Bears. TWO first rounders and your starting QB for a questionable young QB? Pro bowl aside what has he proven? Who were they bidding against? This is like the A-rod signing by Texas or the Herschal Walker trade. This is going to set back the Bears a few years.
— The B Word, Apr 03 2009, 10:52 am
You negotiate a deal with a trading partner that is acceptable to both parties involved. It happens fairly often...called a sign and trade.
I am not really complaining about the trade and understand what you are saying but there are ways to sign and trade a player to an agreed destination and get more in return.
Your an angry fellow.
— The B Word, Apr 03 2009, 10:52 am
Please read the 8th paragraph. This is what i was saying.
Looks like they're going to spend some $ now. Quite a few 1st rounders have been busts in recent years, and not just for the Bears. Who cares about a couple of draft picks when you get a very good Q-back. On that note, he'll probably get injured and the Bears will suck for another decade or 2.
"he has absolutely no weapons around him. I mean, who's Chicago's best offensive player? Brandon Lloyd? The Olin Kreutz, the center? Be careful what you wish for, Jay."
Try Matt Forte, a young RB that happened to be 3rd in the NFL in touches last season. The kid racked up 1700 yards from scrimmage last year with 4 yards per carry. Devin Hester is a weapon with the deep ball. Actually having a QB that can accurately throw a deep ball is something that the Bears haven't had since....ever. Combine that with one of the better receiving TE's in football with Greg Olsen (look at his numbers last year and keep in mind that he was splitting time with Desmond Clark) and you have a nice young offensive core that in a year or 2 could be one hell of an offense. Not saying they're gonna be Super Bowl contenders or anything, but they'll be a good team in a bad division playing a weak schedule.
Great move by the Bears. And yes, all the Pats could get was a second-rounder for a guy who has played one season and was surrounded by some of the best weapons in football. Cassell will never be as good as he was last year. Guaranteed.
— kgisinsane
"That puts the Patriots in prime position to execute a sign-and-trade for Cassel with a club needing a signal-caller."
I don't see your point. The phones weren't ringing off the hook for Cassel. He was tying up a SHIT LOAD of cap space. We got the best deal on the table for that situation.
Cutler is a average QB at best. First and third rounder MAYBE. Two firsts = Bears got it up the ass with sand in their vaseline.
— duffman000ya, Apr 03 2009, 11:28 am
I was just explaining that there were other options besides Franchise and trade, or let him walk in free agency. I dont mind the trade...just saying there were other options. You are right though...4500 yards is average at best. I agree
and you have a nice young offensive core
— ckalamatas3, Apr 03 2009, 11:21 am
You know what a "Nice offensive core" gets you? Good seats still available at soliers field... How's it feel looking up at the lions ass...
Emmy you are the definition of a homer stop lickin BB's balls...we gave up a starting NFL qb and a starting OLB for a 2nd...we did not get enough period...
Anyone who compares the Cutler trade to the Cassel trade is a moron.
But I digress...Cutler had a $1 million dollar cap hit this season!! and is still under control for at least 3 years on his rookie contract!
Cassel had a hell of a lot more (something like 14 million) cap hit and essentially a one year deal!
Plus there was a deadline with the Cassel trade as they needed to free up that money to make moves, and there really was no deadline for the Cutler deal.
1 million dollar cap hit VS. 14 million dollar cap hit.
Apples VS. Oranges
Bear should have a decent offense for that division. Forte is a good running back. Hester is turning into an acceptable receiver who can stretch the field with his speed. Cutler actually has the arm to hit Hester down the field.
Greg Olson is coming into his third year and is a solid, reliable, lunch pail type of Tight End.
They can pick up another receiver.
Then if their defense returns to their "swarm and attack" type of aggressive defense then they will be legit...in that division.
The also have good special teams with Robbie Gould, Hester etc.
Dont get me wrong, the Patriots would stomp them, but for that division and this league the Bears will be very competitive. They practically made the playoffs last year with Orton and Grossman at the helm!
Tom C,
I'm the homo?....We have 11 picks....ELEVEN in this year's draft!!! And you're bitching?! So go jump off a cliff, you blithering cunt.
The real question is, how does Cutler look in a pair of his girlfriends jeans?
- can he pick-up laundry
- can he walk the little half sized dog?
- will he run errands?
- will he pick-up ice cream cones when told?
- does he have cologne named after him?
- does he bring G.F. flowers when told
- is he a gold-digger?
- obsessed with marrying up?
- does she drive when they are both in the car?
THIS is the important stuff a QB needs to do!!!
I really like BB he is awesome, but...
If we don't get Peppers he fucked up. He should of got at least a future 1st and a 3rd this year.
We trades Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd rounder and McDaniels gets 2 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder and a starting QB... wtf?
BB got bent over and raped. Without loob.
— BradysGoneSoft
Your a dipshit. Enough said.
You have no clue what you are talking about jerry, and your previous articles prove it, quit while you are ahead
Dennis and Callahan, and anyone else whio doesn't understand this, are idiots.
It's simple economics. Cassel is under a one year franchise tag for $16M. That is guaranteed money, and he becomes a free agent at the end of next season, unless you franchise tag him again which will cost another $18M. If you're Matt Cassel, you don't even begin talking about a long term contract unless they're offering at least $30m guaranteed, with most of it in the first two years.
Cutler is still playing under his rookie contract, and it still has 3 years left to go on it. His salary this year is about $1M, but he gets a $5M bonus if he takes 70% of the offensive snaps. His top number this year will only be around $6M, plus the Bears have him locked up through 2012.
Cassel was not worth more because most teams didn't have the cap room for his $16M, plus they didn't want to give up a lot of draft choices for what is essentially a one year reantal. There is no guarantee that Cassel won't leave the Chiefs as soon as the season is over.
Belichick's option was to NOT franchise tag Cassel, and simply let him sign with someone else in free agency. In that case the BEST that they would have gotten was a compensatory pick at the end of the third round in the 2010 draft. Instead they got the second pick of the second round in THIS year's draft. Thats the 34th pick vs the 97th pick a year later.
It was a good deal for the Pats based on the circumstances.
Lets get one thing straight. BB is a money football coach who has proved so time and time again. What the fuck have any of you done. He has 6 picks in the first 100. How are we suppose to sign all these rookies. If we get KC's 3rd overall we pay him tons. That isn't how we work. With Bill's draft ability he will use this draft to build his next dynasty team. He can trade up, down, all around. He will get whoever he wants.(and hell have the money to pay them now) It all started with Mayo. Apparently all you naysayers are stuck in your bedrooms playing checkers. Lets wait to see how his plan plays out during the draft. IN BILL WE TRUST. or shut the fuck up so he doesn't make you look like an ass.
I like your blogs a lot Jerry, but you can't be serious about Cassel. You keep saying he's proven and gonna be great, and up until now I thought it was purposely said with a hometown bias, but it seems like you really believe this. I LOVE the Pats as much or more than the next guy, but let's get real here. He was a product of the system. Who out there was confident with the ball in his hands on 3rd down, no matter what the yardage was? I know I cringed every time he stupidly ran up the middle and had some blind luck some of the time. And that was only because they were respecting Moss/Welker so much. He won't be anything special in KC and McDaniels is an idiot trying to trade a very athletic QB in Cutler that could be molded to fit the system for a QB with a weak arm and shotty decision-making.
he looks like jeff spicoli in that pic.
When is Dennis and Callahan on? Every time I tune in to that station its playing commercials.
cant read sll that, and nevermind 79 comments so if i am repeating, well go fuck yourselves.
cassell was signed for one year. a franchise tag. he had only played 15.75 games in the NFL, and did well with FAR superior talent around him.
cutler has multiyear deal in place for "cheap" money and has a couple years of NFL experience.
2 different QBs and 2 different situations all together.
I have to say I am extremely upset to get traded to Denver and play for a coach like McNuggets. All I did in Chicago was win. Even as a rookie. Sure I'm not flashy. Sure I have the ugliest beard since Youk. Sure I can't throw downfield. But I can sure slam a Jack Daniels bottle like no QB out there. Don't believe me? Try me.
Both teams got the win in this deal. Denver needs to rebuild. Bears need a long term QB. This years first round draft pick is a wash. Given the Bears round 1 draft history, they might have drafted Prez. They have another 3rd round this year and next years #1 could be the #5 pick or the #27 pick. Who knows. Bears added a missing link with their top priority and a still good Pace. With Forte, Olsen, and Hester, their offense just got a lot better. Don't forget Cutler's favorite target at Vandy was drafted by the Bears last year. they still can add Holt, Harrison, or even coke head Jones. Bears made the right move.
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I don't have the attention span to read all that