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Barstool Sports Readers Sound Off On The Ray Allen Trade; Rate the Trade
Based on a random sampling of readers' reactions, which is considered highly
scientific according to scientists, Celtics fans and exCeltics fans are against this trade. Let's call it 55%- 45% against.
Some of our readers' comments on the deal:
- I just jizzed all over the place. -Ben-T
- Fuck this deal. hes 32 and owed 75 mil over 4 years. Corey brewer would have been just as good in 2 years. Stupid ainge. -Westcyde
- You guys can't be serious. He's 32 years old, and this is the 4th time in the last 3 years that Danny Ainge has changed his strategy. Ray Allen has averaged almost 40 minutes over his career and has missed time 2 of the last 3 years.The Celtics just ensured another 5 years of mediocrity. -PatriotsNation
- Danny Ainge please step in front of the shot gun. click click
BOOM! Thanks Danny. Red Auerbach will torture you now. Dumbass!- Chip Douglas - anyone else not like this move? allen is good but he's like 32, and how long is he even signed for? I thought the plan was to go young. what the fuck is ainge doing? -Cloud 9
- They should have just made the pick and wait another 2 years for Al and Green to really develop and this pick would be in his 3rd year whoever it was. And by then they would have traded the Ratliff contract and prolly would have dealt Pierce which means a great nucleaus of young but developed talent. UGH - Spaz522
- RAY ALLEN AND PAUL PIERCE!? This team looks nasty in NBA LIVE 2001 -BobNOMAAMRooney
- Ainge sucks. This just means a few more years of mediocrity. maybe they make the playoffs a few years, but it's early exit every time, and then lousy draft positioning again. At least Danny saved me some time; I'll be watching these guys about the same as I watch the Bruins. let's hope for a long football season...- aero_man
- People fail to realize that this trade will likely bring the first televised brain aneurysm in the history of the league as Tommy H. will surely become overwhelmed trying to differentiate Ray Allen and Allen Ray. So even if the team still sucks, at least we have this to look forward to. -Drew
- I am sorry...this is terrible. This is really, really bad. The only reason I can come up is that this is Doc & Danny's last attempt to save their jobs. And at some point, you have to stop faulting them, because if they are terrible then that is what they are. If they really cant do a better job then you can keep hoping them to do so. At some point you have to fault the owners... -DkBos
So now it's time for the definitive Stoolie ranking of the Ray Allen Trade
Paul Pierce: The Straw That Stirs the Drink

...And with the 5th pick of the 2007 NBA Draft, Paul Pierce selects...
Ray Allen. University of Seattle Supersonics.
Consider the following timeline:
- Danny Ainge insists the C's are adamant about keeping the pick.
- There are "rumors" in the press that Pierce is demanding the Celts reverse six year youth movement and once and for all add a veteran for some reason other than his contract is about to expire.
- Ainge floats it out there that there's no truth to The Truth's "disgruntledness", and he and The Truth are on the same page, truthfully.
- The Celts draft a guy only to trade him.
What other logical assumption are we to jump to, other than Pierce guided this move? I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing. Pierce has carried this team on his shoulders to the degree that he's been able, and he's sick of waiting while another kid who still hasn't taken off his high school mortar board is brought in, and, by the way, try to be patient while he works through his Sophomore Jinx...next season.
There's no other way to read this move. If the idea was to get a guy with down-the-road upside, the pick is Yi, who could have at least potentially given them the Al Jefferson-partner they need. If it's to placate the resident star, you get an established guy. Period. Why else would they pick up Allen, whose forte is the outside jumper, which they're already getting from Pierce and Gerald Green?
Anyway, at least we know they're kinda sorta trying to make a run for the near future, without committing the career suicide of giving up Jefferson or Green.
Ray Allen To The Celtics. Also, Danny Ainge Is A Liar.
ESPN's Andy Katz is reporting that the Celtics will be making a trade with the Supersonics for former UConn star Ray Allen.
The Celtics will give up Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and #5 pick Georgetown's Jeff Green.
Minus any other major deals, the Celtics would likely open next season with this starting lineup:
PG- Rajon Rondo
SG- Ray Allen
SF- Paul Pierce
PF- Al Jefferson 
C- Kendrick Perkins
Certainly good enough to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference and Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green and Tony Allen look solid as backup options. Plus, Theo Ratliff's expiring contract is still around and Danny Ainge may be able to combine Theo and the C's second round selection to move back into the late first round.
That's short-term. Longterm- the Celtics' chances of resigning some of their young "talent" just got a lot less likely.
Also, Danny lies:
"I think [a trade] is unlikely. I'm expecting to make our pick," Ainge, the Celtics executive director of basketball operations, said Wednesday. "I've felt that way from the beginning, that these trades are hard to come by."
Breaking News: JESUS IS COMING TO BOSTON! Celts Get Ray Allen
Celts trade the #5 pick and Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak for Ray Allen!

Whoa Baby....
Unwatchable draft only hours away
Instead of some in depth post about potential Celtic draft picks with only hours to go before the #5 pick, UB has decided to post this classic clip of this dumbass kid wrecking his knee. If nothing else it will give you a chuckle and help you forget that no mater who we get tonight, we're still screwed for years to come. With trade talks all but dead, most experts believe the C's will take Yi Jianlian. He might be the best pick at that position, but something about ESPN's draft prediction page just has UB feeling a little uneasy...
Look at these photos of the top 9 from the page: Do any of these guys not look right? (Cue the Sesame Street jingle "one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong...")








Yeah, so Joakim is also odd looking in this group, but you get UB's point. Yi is the complete unknown. And that's who is supposed to lead our resurgence to greatness?
Well it's off to the liquor store for UB...
Trishelle is at McFadden's Tonight!

Can you feel the excitement in the air? Tonight is the big night. Trishelle is going to be at McFadden’s for the Little Black Dress party. Essentially what this means is chicks who wear black dresses get to cut the line and get in for free. That’s fine by me. The more girls the merrier. But El Pres will be coming for one reason and one reason only. To get me a picture of myself with Trishelle to add to my ever growing collection of El Pres with MTV stars collection. The only problem is that we have a Ms. Barstool Sports event tonight at the Joshua Tree in Somerville from 10-12. So I’m going to have to pull me a “John 3:16” trick and be everywhere all at once.

I can’t wait to report back tomorrow with a ranking on how hot Trishelle is in person. I’m thinking I’m going to have her at a solid 8.
Golfing Hotness: Paula Creamer vs Anna Rawson

Here we are with Day 2 of what we hope will culminate with the crowning of a Barstool Sports Ultimate Pro Golf Babe (yesterday's winner Natalie Gulbis advances to the next round). Today's match up pits Paula Creamer vs Anna Rawson.
Paula Creamer:

- The 20-year-old was named 2005 LPGA Rookie of the Year
- Has 3 wins on LPGA tour and 5 total pro wins
- Top 10 ranking from Women's World Golf
- Won 19 amateur national titles, 11 American Junior Golf Association tournaments
- Nicknamed "The Pink Panther"
Anna Rawson:

- The 26-year-old from Australia is a model and golfer on the Ladies European Tour
- South Australian, Victoria Junior Champion, Jack Newton International Junior Classic winner
- Member of the 1999 Australian National Squad
- Member of the USC NCAA Championship team
- Finalist in the Australian "Dolly" Magazine model cover contest
Eesh...Tough call here. Paula is the better golfer, while Anna appears to be hotter with the modeling background...1 for Paula, 10 for Anna.
Shocking Sports Discovery- Red Sox Fans Are Assholes!
The Red Sox have spent most of June playing teams from west of the
Mississippi- Oakland, Arizona, Colorado, San Francisco, San Diego and Seattle- and more or less have gone about the business of sleepwalking into the postseason as AL East Champions. Seattle pulls off a three game sweep and the Sox's lead in the division drops from 10 games to 9- yawn.
But the most startling news from the Sox's recent dalliance with western teams is the discovery by opposing fans and media that Red Sox fans are...assholes.
Some of the West Coast's sharpest knives are on the case-
- Red Sox fans suck. Badly...I think to myself, where did these people come from? Surely half of Massachusetts couldn't have moved to San Francisco. And, how do so many always end up at my beloved Oakland Colisium for A's vs Red Sox games? And why are they so obnoxious? And why do they all look the same? (Dollar Wednesdays)
- Contrary to popular belief, the Red Sox fans were quite cordial this past weekend. If by cordial you mean, absolute fucktards, albeit with an apologetic tone after shitting on our town. And to the guy that was from Clairmont, donning his freshly unwrapped McBastard Town jersey, eat shit pal. I couldn't care less if you ignored the Padres growing up for the Red Jerx, there's no excuse for your existence in this town. Quietly pack up your shit and get out. You are useless here. Eat mule balls and put it on youtube. (Super Chargers)
- I don't understand Red Sox fans — the Red Sox Nation, if you will. Red Sox fans think they're God's gift to baseball. Some would say Yankees fans are the same way, and maybe they used to be. But not anymore...They believe it's their right, their privilege, to always be in the pennant race. They've won, what, one World Series? Yet they believe they're the greatest...The Red Sox Nation has taken over as most obnoxious in baseball. The holier-than-thou attitude really bothers me. (Inside Bay Area)
No shit, Sherlock's.
One of the funniest aftereffects of the Red Sox winning the World Series has to
watching other baseball fans slowly come to the realization that real Red Sox fans are nothing like Jimmy Fallon's castrated, hopelessly optimistic, love my Sawx to the day I die, good-natured Ben Wrightman from Fever Pitch.
And yeah, some of the assholes in question are no doubt the bandwagon fans that Boston.com's Eric Wilbur is determined to hunt down and exterminate.
But regardless of what color hat they're wearing and despite what the fans and reporters on the West Coast may think, Red Sox fans have always been sorta assholes. It didn't matter that the team hadn't won a World Series since 1918. It didn't matter that the Yankees were the Yankees of yore and actually managed to finish above .500. It didn't matter that every aspect of the organization- ownership, management, facilities, players, etc.- were all second rate. Sox fans were still assholes because that's kinda the way we/they are naturally.
We just embraced our natural ability and went with it. A World Series title didn't suddenly turn Red Sox fans into assholes. It just made us World Champion assholes.
Barstool Classic: "Larry Holmes Kicked Me and Punched Me"
Am I the only one totally addicted to watching The Best Damn Sports Show countdown lists? They’ve got everything from the best baseball plays, best blowups, best dunks etc. It seems like these top list shows are on 24/7 and they show the same ones over and over, but I watch them every time. You got to give credit where credit is due and Best Damn did an awesome job compiling these things.
Anyway, I was watching “Best Blowups” yesterday for the billionth time (it’s my favorite one) and I felt the need to post my favorite clip of all time. Of course I’m talking about when Larry Holmes runs across the top of a car and Super Fly Snuka’s Trevor Berbick (RIP)
This clip works on so many levels I don’t even know where to begin. For starters, I love the fact that Berbick is trying to convince people that Larry Holmes assaulted him. It’s almost like he is building a case in a court of law and is worried nobody will believe him. And then all of a sudden you hear a gasp and scream and here comes Larry Holmes resplendent in a white jump suit, sprinting across the top of a car and launching himself at Berbick. Case closed! I believe you Trevor. Clearly you had an altercation of some sort leading to this high risk maneuver.
I literally will never get tired of this clip.
Cops vs. Skateboarders
I got the cops back on this one. First of all I hate skateboarders. I feel like the world would be a better place without them. I cringe every time I drive by a skateboard park and see more kids there than on baseball fields. So I'm all for police brutality against skateboard punks. Having said that what did these kids thing was going to happen when they ran? You can't run from the cops and not expect to get beaten down. Choke them to death is what I say.
Plumbers Picket Brady's Apartment; Call Him A Cheapskate
Inside Track - New England Patriots[ team stats]QB/QT - and fledgling real estate flipper - Tom Brady[ stats] is under fire by the Plumbers & Gasfitters Union who want their brothers on the job at Brady’s Beacon Street rehab installing all of the bowls - Super or otherwise!
“We’re not going to any Pats games until he builds union,” said Francis Jensen of Local 12, who with about a half-dozen of his brethren threw up an informational picket line in front of No. 12’s Back Bay condo yesterday. Added union captain Tom Koney: “Here’s a guy who gets paid millions for what he does but he doesn’t believe in paying plumbers a decent wage.”
Metric president Geoffre Karaboolad said he would have been happy to hire union plumbers for the Brady job but none contacted him during the bidding process and “all of the obligations to hire any of the workers are ours, and we did not confer with Tom about who to hire,” he said.
But the plumbers say that Brady was aware of their pipe gripes because they sent a letter to the two-time Super Bowl MVP’s agents before throwing up the picket line, and they never heard anything back. “Our members are great Patriots supporters, and we didn’t want to embarrass him,” Cotter said. “But we are disappointed he didn’t respond.” Cotter said Local 12 has a special place in their hearts for No. 12 - natch - and feel that the lack of response was a “slap in the face.”
So let me get this straight. The plumbers sent Tom Brady a letter and he didn’t respond? Holy shit! I guess Brady really is an asshole. I mean it’s not like he gets a ton of mail or anything like that. I know when I send a letter to one of the most popular athletes in the world I expect a hand written response within 24 hours of receipt.
Also let’s call a spade a spade. Sure Geoffre Karaboolad is trying to bite the bullet for Brady, but you know that Brady hand picked the non union plumbing company himself. After all what else does he have to do besides fucking Gisele, playing in celebrity golf tournaments and traveling the world?
I’m sure scouring the yellow pages for the cheapest plumbing company to fix his shitter is his top priority in life right now. I just hope the Pats can withstand the financial ramifications of a 12 man boycott this season.
What The F-ck Happened To Alicia Silverstone?



Honestly what happened to her? Did she just turn ugly over night? Or was she really never that pretty to begin with? I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that her roles in movies have all but disappeared. You can't put a mug like that on the silver screen. Regardless it's just crazy how far she has fallen. I mean it didn't get any better than Alicia Silverstone during her Aerosmith and Babysitter days. (I always felt dirty watching The Babysitter) But looking back at the photos of her even when she was at the top of her game, I'm not sure how hot she ever really was. Sure she wasn't gross, but maybe we should have seen her downfall coming. How old was she when she was hot? Like 14?
Dan Shaughnessy Speaks The Truth About No Sports At Stoneham High School

Dan Shaughnessy tackles the Stoneham School Committee's decision to cancel all sports at the high school in today's Globe.
And I agree with everything he has to say. Including this:
A high school without teams is a body without heart, without soul. It's also a recipe for disaster. We need our kids applying their bodies and minds in those hours after the last bell rings. We need them learning the lessons of team-above-self, dedication, and commitment.
Eliminating high school sports in order to address mounting budgetary problems (that almost certainly have nothing to do with JV girls basketball) is the type of short-sighted decision that ruins the high school experience for the hundreds of students (and parents) directly affected. But in the long term, it creates an identity crisis that no municipality wants- we're broke and if you live here and have kids that want to play sports, then prepare to pay for private school. Oh, and we're gonna be jacking up your property taxes every year and if you want us to pick up your trash, that's $200.
What young couple planning to start a family would move to Stoneham now? The bad publicity from the School Committee's decision may be even more damaging to Stoneham's financial future than the $3 million budget shortfall that prompted the elimination of high school sports in the first place. Lower housing prices; a graying population that eats up municipal resources; little public support for educational spending of any kind (which happens when none of the tax payers actually have children in the schools their taxes support); tougher times for local businesses without the local families that buy their subs, milk, newspaper, oil changes, etc.
The only people that benefit from this decision are the coaches of the private schools in the area. Now they get to cherry-pick Stoneham's best athletes for their own teams.
Check out SavetheSpartans.com for more information.
say I live in stoneham and don't have kids that play sports, I'm supposed to pay for your kids? fuck you, you want to your kids to play sports, you pay for it
same goes for art or whatever else they cut
Thats right Max!!! And fuck it...if you want em to learn to read you pay for it!! The little fucks.
Max that is just a plain dumb statement...
that's the attitude max. then fine, if you don't want to pay for high school sports then why should my tax dollars go to paying for plowing your street- I don't drive it; or why should my tax dollars go to paying for the fire fighters or police to respond to your emergency- my house isn't on fire.
letting individuals pick and choose what their taxes actually go to would be total chaos
Max,
Great attitude. Say you bought your home when the town had sports and now it doesn't . Say good bye to the value of your home. People will never move to a town with out a sports program ,end of story and if people aren't buying then your property value isn't going up. Plus, how about the lessons learned on the football field, the basketball court and the baseball diamond? Sounds like you are bitter from geting stuffed in your locker for 4 years. Grow up Peter Pan , Count Chocula......Fucking dildo.
Stay Classy
Idiot statement Max.
And the property value will decrease even further when these kids have nothing to do and start to vandalize homes in the town. Go back to pulling your pud, Max.
I stand by my statement. Are local sports essential to public safety? No. Plowed streets are, same with cops and firefighters. Let's get our priorities right here. Looks like Stoneham would rather have money for what's necessary rather than what a minority enjoys.
Listen, I played sports for four years at a private high school while my parents paid taxes in the town I grew up in. The town made the choice not to override and pay. Its their choice.
Max Power Blows
why is the cover model video blog deleted? Surely the comments weren't that bad...
Max Power is a douche bag.
Max obviously went to private school because he couldnt make the public school teams.
from your standpoint what YOU think is essential is what the town needs. Thats the problem, if what was important to every individual was what the town paid for people would undoubtedly knock heads on many issues. If you can't see the benefit of having a sports program in town your idiot. it helps the kids in a number of ways and makes them better people in some small way......an yeah Max Power Blows
I agree with Max Power, except for the part about the art program. School is about school. Yes there should be sports, but if your kid wants to play sports, you should pay for it. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. That street plowing example is a terrible example. Last time I checked snow falls pretty evenly over the entire city.
Dan Shaughnessy and Howie Carr's death will spark a statewide Mass. celebration that will rival any New Years celebration we've ever seen. These 2 are flushable pieces of media shit.
Paul sports are about school. Kids DO get scholarships to college through sports. You are overlooking that. You can have a career is sports as a coach or an AD. School is about well rounding a student not have them with thier noses in a book the whole time.
You could make an argument that local sports are essential for public safety.
It gives kids something to do afterschool, something for kids to focus on. It can be a positive outlet for aggression. If sports stay cancelled in Stoneham it is almost gauranteed crime will go up.
Marion- Probably because Tracey the model saw the blog and freaked over the nasty comments. The truth hurt her self esteem so she called the stool crying to take it down.
I'm pretty sure this is just posturing by the school board to get people to stop being so damned cheap all the time.
On a side note, I wish Shank's son went to Stoneham so we wouldn't have to hear about some gay book chronicling how awesome he was at high school baseball.
" Paul sports are about school. Kids DO get scholarships to college through sports. You are overlooking that. You can have a career is sports as a coach or an AD. School is about well rounding a student not have them with thier noses in a book the whole time."
I know, I agree, my only point is that the parents should be the one paying for sports. It's not that wild of an idea. The city doesn't pay for little league or Babe Ruth leagues over the summer do they? No, parents do. Just because the team is associated with a school now the entire city has to pay?
You can be well rounded without playing sports too by the way. I didn't play a lick of sports in high school (I just lost interest around 14, go ahead make fun of me) and I turned out just fine. If your son wants to play football, all the power to him. Just pay for it yourself.
Cut sports, art and music and see how much that impacts college admissions from kids at Stoneham. Most schools want to see all of those extracurricular activities...God knows it's the only reason Ratty got into a decent college.
Just because your kid doesnt play it doesnt mean you shouldnt have to pay for it. Maybe my kid doesnt want to do chemistry as an elective, but yours does. Maybe you should have to pay for chemicals then.
Chemistry, art, music, etc, are all part of an education. Sports, as much as I love them, are not. Sorry.
someone remove F bomb's knife from my back
wow, I was getting killed, c'mon guys at least I'm not soog
I have to say that I am honestly shocked that people think sports don't have a place in education. Tell me other places kids learn teamwork, discipline, commitment, time management, and have the opportunity to develop leadership skills... and not get molested by Scout leaders?
"Chemistry, art, music, etc, are all part of an education. Sports, as much as I love them, are not. Sorry."
I think theres tens of thousands of athletes with scholarships that will severely disagree with you.
"Tell me other places kids learn teamwork, discipline, commitment, time management, and have the opportunity to develop leadership skills... and not get molested by Scout leaders?"
Um, life? I don't know. I just don't think if a kid misses out on sports that it's going to mess him up for the rest of his life. Sports are great, kids should be encouraged to play. Just pay for it if your kids want to play, that's my only point.
"Um, life? I don't know."
Exactly, you cant even think of one.
I love that people are complaining about the $200 a year trash fee.
OK, so sports teach teamwork and whatnot, I'm not denying that. JUST PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! Seriously, this isn't hard. I learned discipline, commitment, time management and so on just from going to school and getting good grades. It's not that fucking hard. If you want sports in school, all the power to you, just pay for it yourself.
Paul, without sports how are kids going to gain the flexibility to be able to bend over and shove their heads up their ass like you are able to do???
Hey does the Chess Team count as a sport?
No Giggles, but Falken's Quest does.
Athletics are obviously a part of the educational experience. Is it as big as math, science, history? No, probably not...but it cutting sports impacts at least 85% of the student body (maybe more).
The problem with the pay for yourself. Is that at one time user fees didn't exist at all. Collectively our taxes are paying for less and less. While local aid is down (though it made some gains last year); municiple govenernment consistantly mismanages money. We're getting less return on our dollars.
At a minimum cut 5% of every other (municipal) budget and better manage the municiple employees efficiency. It sucks to do this but better than cutting athletics altogether.
Wow....Leroy did you black out like Will Ferrell in Old School When you typed that? That is one well put together thought, good job
Kwall, I highly doubt that sports helped Ratty get into college.
Jackie, I think Kwall was talking about my stint as a Mathlete.
Mathlete, a/v club, Model UN. Ratty was the triple threat of the hs geek squad.
Thanks Mike D - occasionally I do try to write something of substance.
Though, I also tend to quote Sir Mix-a-lot...
Also, user fees never really solves the problem. It temporarily saves sports but it only leads to higher user fees because the structural deficit never actually decreases.
Paul, snow plowing might not be a good exmple but eventually we'll be paying user fees for public safety (evertime a policeman goes to a house or a fire fighter responds to a call or accident), If we're not careful. Instituting user fees is a shitty end around prop 2 1/2 and they never stop or go down (even when overrides are passed). Ask residents of Winchester & Lexington - they're paying like $190.00 per sport with a $1,290.00 family cap (ball park figure)
If the no one draws a line on school spending then it will NEVER get fixed. Sure cutting sports is not good, but the state and feds make towns pay for riduculous special ed programs and other forced spending that makes little sense. The schools are run by lawyers or the fear of lawyers.
The smart guys in Boston and DC keep writing laws where someone else has to pay the cost. A better use of preacher Dan Shaughnessy;s time would be to tell us how to get the politicians that built this world of everyone's special out the door.
Lindall,
You keep saying that 'we are going to jack up your property taxes.' Maybe that was JT, but the reason they cut sports or that JT can't get anyone to pick his trash up is because they can't jack your property taxes. Prop 2.5 says you can't increase property taxes more than 2.5%. Stoneham voted to over ride it so they could keep the school sports but shortsighted dildos like Max Power voted it down.
Then he couldn't take the heat so he tried to deflect the negative over to me. Pussy.
I pay almost $10 grand in property tax and I STLL have to pay fucking user fees for my kids. Sports....bus....any outside clasroom activity. It sucks and I blame all you fucking wimp berkenbush wearing liberals. Democrats suck more than any Yankee fan.
Sooh what the fuck you pay in taxes? You sound like a liberal who is sucking off the public tit.
Throwing a vote FOR Max Power. High school sports are over rated in value to the fabric of a town and the kids lifestyles. I live in Swampscott, grew up in Swampscott, played sports in Swampscott. But right now, the high school community (which is about to move into a brand new gazillion dollar high school) is a complete social mess. The inmates are running the asylum and the number one problem is drug, alcohol and sex parties by THE FOOTBALL TEAM and LACROSSE TEAM. All those MSNBC/Dateline reports about kids partying and social status acheived by how much sex you have (boys and girls) is 100% true. And the whole social scene is fueled by the jocks. High school sports is not a right...you wanna play...sorry you gotta pay...cause I'm not planning on funding your kid's excuse for drinking parties. Oh, and the parents should take responsibilty for raising a bunch of rude, self centered punks.
Hey chowe
What do you say to the kid who is not an asshole and just loves sports but who has an old man who is an asshole and won't pay.
I guess it's just tough shit...eh.
I went to Hamilton-Wenham for four years and we had to pay 100% of the user fees. The high school now has a decreased art and music program, little to no JV teams, and we're one of three schools in the state to offer only one language (French). Sports, whether you believe it should be user-funded or not, is an integral part of a public high school. If you're also looking at it purely from the standpoint of scholarships and further athletic schools into college, than you're not getting the point.
Sorry... Further athletic careers, not schools
BigCat,
Ummm..do high school kids get jobs anymore? Or does Mummy and Daddy just give them there own Amex card? Life ain't an MTV reality show..
...Sscott sports and band and debate team etc all cost money now...and if a kid has a "hardship"...special considerations are taken...there are funds to be had, reduced fees, etc.
Sports is a slice of the pie of what is going as our cities and towns try to battle against a variety of costs and expenses.
Reality sucks...figure it out...
Having there be a fee to play varsity sports in High school really doesn't sound that unreasonable to me, espescially in a town like Stoneham where most families would be able to throw a hundred bucks to the school for their kid to play football for the season. I'm not saying that the town shouldn't chip in, but it sounds like there should be a pretty reasonable way to work this thing out.
Anyone who says that having a varsity sports program isn't essential to the life of a high school, and its students is a previously undiscovered species of jackass.
I believe that athletics is a part of eduction, as are music/art programs and AP science lab, for that matter. As such, the tax rate should pay for them.
Local schools did pretty well for themselves 10-15 years ago with local aid. They should have realized that times might get tough and aid might get cut. Instead, they spent like crazy (and they stil are). I'm in favor of more local aid but school officials are also somewhat accountable
Remember, if you played sports at a public school, the tax rate played for the sports program (yes, even by the people who's children didn't play sports)
Chow
Tell me how a poor lil boy from hardscrabble Swampscott paid his own way.
You don't get it. Sports are an easy target. The real problem is the MTA and it's fat-assed public tit sucking ho's. Schools now have a specialist for evrything from wiping ya ass to grief management in case of a typhoon in Malaysia. Let's not even get into the fucking lifelong benefit package that those whiny bitches get.
Hey if the federal government doesn't have to pay it's debts why should towns, right?
And by the way Chowe- if there were no jocks around then the Goth kids would go unchecked. Just running amock what with their makeup and trenchcoats and all.
Yeah and teachers really clean up by the way BigCat. That's why american kids are so smart, because having a Masters degree and making $35,000/yr sounds very appealing to anyone weighing their career options.
Thats right Giggles you fucking fool. You been done in by the MTA too. Tell me how you need a masters to teach multiplication to a 3rd grader. Forget the 35K. Lets talk about the fucking old bag just putting in her time after 25 years making 70k......and oh yea....lets all discuss how she'll be retiring at 62 taking home 56K and full health insurance THE REST OF HER FUCKING LIFE.
Are you on CRACK or just real real young and stupid. Grow up.
BigCat's moved to knocking the teachers. Wow. Last time I checked teachers were pretty underrated in the spectrum of their value to society.
I'm sorry I just happen to know many teachers, and they all get paid shit. It's not an important job anyways, it's not like "children are the future" or any bullshit like that.
Check again. I think good teachers are a valuable piece of out society. I am just tired of their whining. I am also tired of the neverending line of specialist and administrators wasting my money and telling me we have to cutback in other places.
In all seriousness Gig next time they bitch do the math. First prorate the 180 days they work over whatever number of days you work. Do not allow them to give you the "all the after school time" bit. Who the fuck works 40 hoursS? Then add in the 20 or so years of unmatched health and pension benifits. Do the math and then think about it again.
i have quite a few friends who are either teachers, police or firemen and believe for all the crying they did when they were starting out they're smiling now
Winthrop was about to do the same thing 3 years ago until it was announced and money got into the program and they kept sports.
This is all about posturing. Put in a $300 per student user fee like most public high schools do and take it from there.
Max and Chowe are borderline retarded. Good chance the private schools they went to were "special."
Can we boycott the Boston Globe? Maybe then they'll fire Dan Shaughnessy because they can't afford him.
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He still sucks though!