60 Minutes

[rearadmiral]

Tunisia story = bonkers

I saw a video of a few of the protesters getting bucked down a couple days ago and about threw up.

Had no clue about this:

http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries/cemeteries/na.php

[Giggles]

Uhhhh why are all of those pics BIM? Is this place not built yet?

[rearadmiral]

Don't know what BIM is but place is legit.

[M.S.83]

not sure when it was on but did anyone catch the segment on Billy walters the pro gambler. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVQDHOyi9MU

[Mk]

Nope, never heard of him.

Billy Walters on tonight.

Guy is the MAN.

FACT!

[M.S.83]

ya i was to lazy to go back and check if someone mentioned it

[Mk]

Just busting balls. Good segment.

There's a lot mystery about BW, both good and bad. He's known for having a bunch of guys running bets for the same game and in some cases intentionally giving them the wrong play to try to get speculation to one side and then he'd hammer it the other way once the line moved to where he wanted it. There's a story that a guy Ken Weitzner, who's started a few of the well known gambling msg boards, and took Duke last year because he thought he was tailing BW, who ended up going the other way with Butler. BW hit and he didn't. The bet put him deep in debt and ended up offing himself. Hardly something to blame BW for....just high on the creepy scale.

There's also a story out there that casinos everywhere changed to a new roulette wheel because his group crushed it for over $3 mil in AC in the 80's.

The Computer Group story is out there on the net....don't know how true it is but it's an awesome read.

[rearadmiral]

I didn't think you could crush a roulette wheel with anything other than stone cold luck.

I like how you goofed on MS83. Then posted a story from the segment.

[Mk]

Read this after they ran that story. Story goes that some places played with roulette wheels with more shallow pockets at the time and after this incident they all went that way.

In June of 1986 William T. (Billy) Walters put a proposition to the Golden Nugget Casino at the foot of the Atlantic City boardwalk, namely, that he would deposit $2 Million against an equal deposit by the casino, and play until either he had won the casino's $2 Million or the casino had won his. The casino accepted. Stepping up to one of the wheels, Walters and a partner placed single bets of $2,000 on each of five numbers. The numbers were 7, 10, 20, 27, and 36. At the end of 38 hours Walters and his partner left the casino with winnings of $3,800,000, leaving the dealers a $25,000 tip.

The wheel Walters used subsequently was examined by agents both of the New Jersey Casino Control Commission and the Division of Gaming Enforcement and found to be in order. This shows the inferiority of a mechanical examination to a statistical one. It should not be necessary to perform an independent statistical test in this case. Walters' record should be good enough.

Our source does not give an account of Walters's data collection methods in this case, but does describe the activities of his "clockers" at the Claridge Hotel and Casino in June of 1989. After the data had been collected and analyzed, Walters and four partners arrived and started to play. In eight hours of play the partners had won $200,000. The casino retained an outside specialist to examine its wheel. Performing a mechanical examination, the specialist found irregularities in two of the casino's wheels. Ignoring his advice, Claridge management left the wheels in service. The Walters clockers found the second biased wheel and the partners won $300,000 from it.

[rearadmiral]

That's doing your homework.

Playing #s and getting hot is only way to make coin there.

[Mk]

Yeah this is tough to watch.

[mcm]

Yeah this is tough to watch.

the polar bears get to you?

[Mk]

The dung camera gets me every time.

[Mk]

Fantastic spot on Bob Hurley.

[mcm]

Danny Hurley looks OLD